I’m not certain as I’ve not held this coin, but certainly an interesting specimen I’d like to examine in person. RRC 517.8. Struck in the East by Antony. The young Caesar (Octavian) side the marred side. HRC 60789


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I’m not certain as I’ve not held this coin, but certainly an interesting specimen I’d like to examine in person. RRC 517.8. Struck in the East by Antony. The young Caesar (Octavian) side the marred side. HRC 60789


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Some conversations I’m seeing linking to my earlier blog post (now superseded by our ANS blog post) on various discussion boards are expressing confusion over how to read Schaefer’s work. Here’s a quick guide to those new to his project and it will give you some idea of what is ahead for the work of the RRDP project as we engage in transcription and number crunching. We’ve erred on releasing as much data as soon as possible rather than holding back until it is “complete” as that work may take a very long time indeed.

This is a really rough guide. As we get more questions and start to know what our users need Dr. Carbone and I will develop a proper finding aid and guidelines for the ANS site. MY personal website is always just a sandbox, not an authoritative resource.
This post also has a sequel in which I answer questions about specific RRC types for which individuals have not been able to easily find.
Working list of Schaefer’s common abbreviations
If an abbreviation is NOT on this list and you cannot decode it please send me a hi res screen shot and link to specific page and I will investigate and try to help. Your asking will improve this list for future generations. yarrow [at] brooklyn [dot] cuny [dot] edu.
Axx = Auctiones auction xx(run by M&M, Basel)
AB = Peus 322(1Nov88) Coll. A. Banti
AM = McCabe Coll.
A+C = Aureo + Calico
ANE = Asociacion Numismatica Española
Arte = Artemide
ASIN = Asociacion Iberica de Numismatica
ASR = asta senza riservata
Aurelia = McKenna + Barton FPL(Aurelia Coll. Nov1980)
B = Berlin State Museum
Bald = Baldwin’s
Bara = Baranowsky
Benz = Lanz88(23Nov98)
BM = British Museum
BMFA = Boston Museum of Fine Arts
BNF = Bibliothèque Nationale Française
Boll. Num. = Bolletino di Numimatica
Br=Brock= Brockage
CAD = caduceus
CAMB = Cambridge University
CCCH = Coin Collections and Coin Hoards from Bulgaria
CGB(or CGF) = CGB Numismatique(Paris)
CNG = Classical Numismatic Group
CrDeLaBourse = Crédit de la Bourse
CRRR = CSRR = Crédit de la Bourse 19Apr95
DH = Museo Taranto
DNW = Dix, Noonan and Webb
Doro = Dorotheum
e before xxx = part of multiple lot xxx
e after xxx = xxxth electronic auction
EH = Emporium Hamburg
Epi = wheatear
F = Firenze
F+S = Freeman + Sear
Fab = Fabretti(Museo Torino catalogo)
Frasc = Frascatius(online seller)
G = Gorny
G+M = Gorny + Mosch
G+N = Gitbud + Naumann
G1,2,3,4,5 = CNG43,44,45,46,47 respectively
Germ Inf = Germania Inferiore(online)
Glasgow = Hunterian Collection in Glasgow
Hersh = Hersh Collection in the British Museum
H = Gerhard Hirsch Mzhg
K = Kuenker
KHM = Kunsthistorisches Museum(Vienna)
KN=KB=Knob = Knobloch Coll.(Stack’s 3May78)
Kolnmzkab = Kölner MünzKabinett
Krich = Kricheldorf
Lejeune = Peus 250
Leu = Bank Leu(<2010);
Leu Numismatics(>2010)
LGH = Lead Ground Hoof
MAH = Musée d’Art et d’Histoire, Geneve
M&M = Muenzen und Medaillen(Basel)
M&M-Deut = Muenzen und Medaillen Deutschland
MC = Museo Correr
MOV = mark of value
Mus. Civ. = Museo Civico
Mus. Naz. = Museo Nazionale
MV(monogram) = Müller(Solingen)
MvB = Max von Bahrfeldt
MZ = Muenzzentrum
n.s. = new series
N Circ = Spink’s Numismatic Circular
N+A = Nummis et Ars
NAC = Numismatica Ars Classica
NIC = Leu 17(Nicolas Coll.)
Num Gen = Numismatique Genevensis
O-L = online
Off Die = official die
ONT = Roman Republican Coins in the Royal Ontario Museum, 1998
Peus = Busso Peus
Qd – quadrans
QDG = quadrigatus
QU = quartuncia
RRC = Roman Republican Coinage
RRCH = Roman Republican Coin Hoards
S = Signorelli Coll.;
Santamaria Auct. 4Jun1952
SCMB = Seaby’s Coin and Medal Bulletin
Sobo = St. Omer et Boulogne-sur-Mer
SS = superstructure
Stax = Stack’s
SU = semuncia
Sx = sextans
Sy = Syd = Sydenham 1952 RR catalogue
Syd Coll = Ratto Auction7Feb28
T = Titano
Torino = Turin
Tr = triens
TRI = trident
U = uncia
U PA = Univ. of Pennsylvania
V = Varesi
Vat = Vatican
VE = Victor England (which became CNG) – Thx DS for query leading to this addition!
VICT = victoriatus
VR(ligate)= Voirol Coll.(Leu+M&M 6Dec1968)
WAG = num. company in Arnsberg,Germany
WCN = Warsaw Numismatic Center
WP = Wayne Phillips
Z = Zeno sales by Dorotheum(13Jun55, 8Jun56 and 26Mar57)
I’m doing some volunteering and professional development remotely with the Ashmolean’s Heberdeen Coin Room. All of their republican coins are photographed and online BUT the data is not validated and all RRC references are not yet in the database. To see all the lovely pictures, go to their search page, and select Roman republican as the period and make sure under status “uploaded”, “for review” and “validated” are all checked. Of the some 3500+ coins, just under half have a Crawford number so far. To look for a specific type enter under reference value the RRC number (without RRC). At this time, you’ll need to try a variety of formats, e.g. 123, 123/1, and 123.1 as the data is not cleaned up or standardized. I’m adding reference numbers as my good deed. So the number of specimens with reference numbers is rapidly growing. Once they all have some reference number I’ll use a spreadsheet to clean the data and add type info etc…
Why am I doing this. 1) so Schaefer can access the material and continue his work on RRDP sooner; 2) because it is intensely soothing and interesting to me; 3) I hope it will be of use to many of you. It’s a beautiful collection AND Jerome Mairat has build a really lovely interface especially for stream lining and collaborating on data entry. Working with his system is teaching me about how I might want to design numismatic databases in future.
But I promised you an OVER STRIKE and indeed I have one to share. Any one want to tell me what the under type is? It should be an that has the denomination mark above the prow.



Another over struck specimen.
HCR60820

OFFICIAL BLOG POST, click here.
very rough draft of a finding aid (will be replaced with official final version on ANS website)
Older informal write up and partial draft of material linked above.
I am so excited about all the hard work of so many people who have made this possible. Richard Schaefer for his decades of work and deep generosity; Lucia Carbone for believing we could make this happen, marshaling the resources, connecting all the moving parts, and always pushing me to do more; Erin Richardson for her many hours, days, and weeks of photography; and especially ETHAN GRUBER for taking on the technical challenges and making it happen; and all the good people at the ANS who made this possible.
This is only a part of what is coming in this initial release of images. Missing from this preliminary release are all the drawers of output images (photographs of specimens not in the binders) and RRC types designed as ODEC = One Die for Each Control-mark. Getting these on Archer and similarly connected to CRRO is the next step.
Gruber’s blog post on the state of the work right now
Our joint write up on the project as a whole for the ANS Magazine
To find a Crawford number the easiest way (to my mind) is go to CRRO and find the type you want, open it and then click on Annotations.

This jumps you down to this part of the page. To go right to the first illustration in the binder of the type click on the first section number. If you click on the title where it says Schaefer binder one it will take you to the first page of the binder.

Once you’re in the binder, scroll down for a list of all types illustrated in that binder, and then use the list of section numbers in parentheses to jump around as needed.

You can also just type the RRC number in the Archersearch field and it will spit out the right binder and then you can use the index to jump to your type.
If you want to flip through the binders here they are:
The zoom level is great (I use my mouse scroll to zoom in fast).

These are some notes of mine from reading this article and a reading group convo. Apologies for any errors/misrepresentations: I learn by writing this type of note.
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Mineralization associated with detachment faults because change in pressure creates conditions for minerals to rise.

Isothermal fluid: minerals in solution from the magma


Northern Greece has both Placer Au and supergene Au-bearing iron oxides.
Pangaeon mountain (hills) discussed for precious metal wealth in ancient Greek authors, e.g. Herodotus, Thucydides. Evidence of both underground and surface mining at 25 sites and 12 smelting sites.
On the island of Thasos directly off-shore likewise significant deposits accesses in antiquity. The mineral wealth takes the form of Ag-rich Pb-Zn carbonate replacement and Au-rich Cu-Fe-Mn deposits in veins and lenses of mostly oxidised massive and disseminated ore in marble and schists. In the classical-Roman period at least 5 Ag mines are known and two Au.

In an area of about 100 km2 extending from ancient Philippoi to Palea Kavala and Petropigi there are more than 150 ore occurrences rich in Fe, Mn, Pb, Zn, Cu, Ag, and Au, and numerous underground galleries are believed to have operated between 6th century BC and the Ottoman period. Perhaps same as that discussion in Herodotus 6.46, Theophrastus On stones 17, Lucretius 6.810, and Plutarch Cimon 4.2.

Metangitsi shows evidence of Mining from the 5th century through Middle ages and Ottoman period. This region’s mineralization includes: Cu-Au porphyry, Pb-Zn-Ag-Au carbonate replacement, Cu-skarn and oxidized Mn.

Different mines even on a smallish island like Thasos all have different Isotopic signatures. This is because of different timing of events and slightly different creation conditions (if I understood discussion correctly!). But no tracer is 100% indication of origin. The more isotopes/ionization you use the better your identification. Zinc is perhaps too volatile. Copper can be misleading because it may be added from a different source, ditto lead, at least in some historical contexts. Copper is less distinctive of the environment. Tin isotopes not fully understood. Trace elements, e.g. arsenic. antimony isotopes might be a potential tracer. Volatile at v high temps. Could you sample it given minuscule amount in coin? Raises question of destructive testing processes.
Recycling of brass might explain zinc in Eastern Roman coins. ? Check Haim Gitler’s work on Severan Silver checking Mattingly’s categorization.
Brass complicated process because of Zinc only mastered by Romans in 1st Cent BCE. (Check)
Forthcoming work from Gil Davis and Ken Sheehy discussion when in 6th century BCE Athens began removing all gold from silver.
In about 2 weeks Metallurgy in Numismatics (Royal Numismatic Society) will be out! Must purchase ASAP.
Vaxevanpoulos – fame in antiquity doesn’t translate it scale of mining. Forthcoming work on this.
I have an old unpublished paper I’m thinking about getting ready for publication as a short article. This is a little investigation into what I’ve missed since I last worked on the topic.
Sánchez Madrid, Nuria. “Democracia, concordia y deliberación pública en la « Política » de Aristóteles.” Logos 51 (2018): 35-56. Doi: 10.5209/ASEM.61642
Cristofoli, Roberto. “Epicureo e politico: Lucio Calpurnio Pisone Cesonino.” Giornale Italiano di Filologia N. S. 3, no. 1-2 (2012): 63-82.
The study presents the various political positions taken up by Lucius Calpurnius Piso Caesoninus, Caesar’s father-in-law and follower of Epicurean philosophy, during his whole life. In particular, it focuses on his political strategy in the last year of his life, starting from the assassination of Julius Caesar. At the end of the analysis, he seems to have aimed at the concordia ordinum, being hostile towards the excessive power of single individuals: all this drove him to neutrality even on the occasion of the struggle between his son-in-law and Pompey, and, in 44 b.c., to side against Antony at first, and then with him, when the position of the future triumvir was weakened.
I find this interesting application of rhetorical vocabulary for modern interpretation. I want to know HOW the author deduces that this framework explains Piso’s actions.
Cataldi, Silvio, Bianco, Elisabetta and Cuniberti, Gianluca, eds. Salvare le « poleis », costruire la concordia, progettare la pace. Fonti e Studi di Storia Antica; 16. Alessandria: Ed. dell’Orso, 2012.
This edited volume is all on things Greek but putting it on this list just so I don’t forget it exists. Lots of Homonoia stuff.
Cappelletti, Silvia. “« Scis quanta sit manus, quanta concordia »: (Pro Fl. 66) : la comunità giudaica di Roma tra I sec. a.C. e I sec. d.C.” Rivista Biblica 59, no. 3 (2011): 301-329.
Just relevant if I end up discussing the pro Flaccio.
Thomas, Jean-François. “De la paix des armes à la tranquillité de l’âme: étude lexicale de « pax » et de certains « synonymes ».” Revue des Études Latines 89 (2011): 56-75.
On this topic now we can see Hannah Cornwall but again just for the record.
Cornell, Tim J.. “Political conflict in archaic Rome and the republican historians.” In « Partiti » e fazioni nell’esperienza politica romana, Edited by Zecchini, Giuseppe. Contributi di Storia Antica; 7 – Storia. Ricerche, 3-30. Milano: Vita e Pensiero, 2009.
Our knowledge of the political history of republican Rome, practically absent in the fragments and indirect evidence of coeval historiography, derive almost exclusively from Livy and Dionysius of Halicarnassus. Sources of the two historians are the late annalists. Both authors promote concord, probably reflecting the liberal-conservative ideology of the sources themselves, which welcomed the new popular rights
This seems like a necessary piece to read along side Pina Polo above for evolution of historiographical tradition. So gets 3rd place on my reading list.
Ridiculously excited to read this well illustrated article on the Belgammel Ram, esp. because of how different the metallurgical profile is from preliminary tests of the Egadi Rams. LOW LEAD only 8%.
Adams, J.R., Antoniadou, A., Hunt, C.O., Bennett, P., Croudace, I.W., Taylor, R.N., Pearce, R.B., Earl, G.P., Flemming, N.C., Moggeridge, J., Whiteside, T., Oliver, K. and Parker, A.J. (2013), Analysis of the Hellenistic‐Roman Belgammel R am, from Libya. International Journal of Nautical Archaeology, 42: 60-75. doi:10.1111/1095-9270.12001

So I was trying to clean up bibliography before submitting an article and was having a hard time finding a citation to this great catalogue of Roman Republican Coins by T. Bilić 2015. I’m just putting up a post so that if I ever search my blog for it again its here.
McCabe suggested to me that the obverses of RRC 410 represent the muses themselves and I am propagating a fiction of Grueber’s followed by Crawford. He also points out I need to read P. Davis’ piece “Erato or Terpsichore : a reassessment”in Essays Witschonke. (Davis accepts that 410/2-10 is obverse Apollo: the article focuses on reverses.)
Now I have to make up my own mind about what I see. The symbols as labels on the obverse makes good sense and better sense than some silly control-mark system–the correlation to the reverse is clear — This is a big part of Davis’ point and how he clarifies Reverse IDs.
Do those heads look like Apollo? Kinda sorta not really. There are three Apollo types common on republican coinage: Archaic Curls, Loose Alexander/Helios like curls, and updo with tendrils down the neck. Here are some comparative images of the three basics types. The Apollo/Hercules with Lyre type is of the archaic curls varietal (RRC 410/1)
The rest of the series has an updo style but no tendrils and the roll around the forehead is different. The only updo with no tendrils that is definitely Apollo is RRC 504/1 and it is not a close visual parallel. That male gods could have an updo with no tendrils is shown by Bonus Eventus on Libo’s coinage (RRC 416/1). Most goddesses on Roman coinage have an earring and necklace and crown, or crown and veil to indicate gender (Pietas, Moneta, Concordia). Is there a reason Muses wouldn’t wear jewelry? Here are a bunch of muse (and Apollo) representations for within a 100 years of the coin (Red = from Moregine excavations near Pompeii; Yellow = House of Julia Felix, Pompeii). I can’t spot any necklaces but I definitely see earrings.
I wanted to be certain it is a Muse on the obverse. It’s logical. It makes sense. But I’m still ambivalent. I may be I will be convinced when I read Davis?
same day update:
The ambiguity of gender in such images is an ambiguity concerning Apollo that was well understood in Roman antiquity:
“Amphion took in marriage Niobe . . . by whom he had seven sons and as many daughters. These children Niobe placed above those of Latona [Leto], and spoke rather contemptuously against Apollo and Diana [Artemis] because Diana was girt in man’s attire, and Apollo wore long hair and a woman’s gown. She said, too, that she surpassed Latona in muber of children. Because of this Apollo slew her sons with arrows as they were hunting in the woods on Mount Sipylus, and Diana shot and killed the daughters in the palace, all except Chloris.”
Hyginus, Fabulae 9.2: “superbiusque locuta est (sc. Niobe) in Apollinem et Dianam, quod illa cincta uiri cultu esset, et Apollo ueste deorsum atque crinitus, et se numero filiorum Latonam superare.”
In modern times Caroline Gordon summarized Niobe’s view of Leto’s Children as “a mannish girl and a girlish boy”.
“Supposing I had died, would the commonwealth have died with me, would the sovereignty of Rome have shared my fate? No, Jupiter Optimus Maximus would never have allowed a City built for eternity, built under the auspices and sanction of the gods, to be as short-lived as this fragile mortal body of mine. ”
Just a quote on a theme that interests me. Early blog post.
Must look at Livy’s vocab on this more generally…